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and another friend did, and I had a part in it, but I also got offered to work on Death of the Salesman at the National Theatre with Arthur Miller. So, I took that. And what was nice was, I talked to the casting director and spoke about a friend of mine and she actually got the part after me because I couldn’t do it. So, I went to the National Theatre and worked with Arthur Miller on Death of Salesman, which was absolutely amazing and I know my mum would have been very proud. She’d died by then. She died in ‘78, just before I joined the National. And when I was at the Half Moon or doing Fringe Theatre or something my mum would always get dressed up and come and see me. But she was dreadful, she couldn’t stop talking. She talked through it, she’d go, and “That’s my Carol there. That’s her there, that one. And that’s her friend Billy”, destroying the theatre image completely! And she’d go, “I don’t know why she’s wearing that dress, she doesn’t usually look like that.” I used to say to her, “Mum, I’m playing a heroin addict, that’s why I’m not dressed up…” and she’d say “why couldn’t you wear that dress…?” “Because I’m playing a heroin addict, that’s why I look terrible.” She’s just never got it. She just wanted me to look nice when I was on stage! While I was at the National, Quadrophenia was being made as well in ‘79 I managed to get myself to do a day on Quadrophenia because I was at the National as well. It was a very tiny part and the re-make was filmed down here, obviously. The one I was in wasn’t, that was filmed in London my little bit. But I’m very proud, even though it was the teeniest part ever I’ve ever done Quadrophenia… It’s an iconic film, isn’t it? Yeah, and also because I loved mods and I loved the whole mod movement and that’s when I used to write on my letters to my friends, “Up the mods”, you know? Also in the East End where I come from, I met Steve Marriott because my cousins were mods and one of them played in a band with Steve Marriott from the Small Faces and I’ve written a musical about the Small Faces. Steve and I met when I was nine. And I had a little crush on him. I thought “he could be my boyfriend” even though he’s older than me, he was like 17 or something, and I was only about nine, well eight or nine. So it was your first crush? Yeah, it was kind of a real crush. But that whole mod movement was just fabulous, and it was about working class people looking smart, which as I said earlier, my mum instilled in me. So, how old were you when you had your first job on telly and how did you feel on your very first day of television work? I was 21 or 22 or something then, and I was playing a villain’s gangster’s moll, 12 which I’ve played many a time. It was all really wonderful actually because I was working with some lovely people. Bill Nye was in it with me. I think it was Bill’s first telly experience as well, and another old mate of mine who was at the Half Moon with me called Alan Ford, who was in Snatch (and you’ll know him) I mean, he’s done millions of things but you’d probably know him from that. I was actually with some friends and the director was someone I’d known from theatre days. The writer was a guy called Tony Hoare, who I’d known from friends in the East End and he was a writer, and he started writing when he was in prison [Hoare spent much of the 60s in prison after becoming involved in robbing banks and post offices in his teens] and it was his script so that was my first telly, and he also wrote my London’s Burning, when I went onto that show years later. It was funny because it was all a bit new for most of us. I think Alan had done the most up until then on TV. I think it was one of Bill Nye’s first ever telly works as well. So it was nice to be in it together? That’s right. Your first film was Elephant Man, do you enjoy making films or was your heart more in television at that time? I haven’t done that many films with good parts in them - big parts. I mean, I’ve done indie films now but I’ve had better parts. But my heart was in theatre although I was doing a lot of telly then. I did one film where I was one of the leads in it called Loose Connections which was directed by Richard Eyre - Sir Richard Eyre as he is now and that was only his second film! It was a British film and I enjoyed doing it - it’s jus t a vast machine really in movies so I guess I like doing smaller British movies that are more innovative. I can imagine television is a bit more fast-paced? Well, the thing is there is a lot of hanging about, when you were on telly but in those days, in the 70s when we did things like A Play for Today or Play of the Month, we used to rehearse - it was like a rehearsal studio. So it was like doing a play but on the television, which was fantastic, one of my favourite things to do. So when I started doing Brush Strokes, I went in for one episode and they wrote me in for seven years until it ended, that was great because I loved the combination but some people hated it. Later on I had a sitcom with me and Ray Winstone - and Ray hated it but I loved having a live audience. So, you’d rehearse… and it’s like a play so you’d rehearse in the week and then you would go in the studio and you would record. You’d have some bits that were filmed outside, but then you would go into the My grandmother was one of the founder members of the Women’s Movement in the Labour Party and my mum was in the Young Socialists and she fought against the fascists