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Photograph: James Boyes A: You’ve worked with quite a lot of other musicians. Who was the best to work with? CD: I really like working with Paul Carrack, because he’s got such an amazing voice, and when I give him a lyric he always touches me emotionally, and I think that’s very important with music. I haven’t really done an awful lot of co-writing, I’ve written a play with Boo Hewerdine, which actually comes out in February, and that’s called ‘Fancy Pants’. Working with Boo is an amazing experience because he’ll deliver lyrics and then he goes and records the song and then you just turn up for like an hour and sing it and its done and I like that, it’s great. So we’ve got a play, and the story is, quite good fun, and we’re going to put it on in Edinburgh next year. A: Who’s the most challenging person you’ve had to work with? CD: Me! I think I’m the most challenging person ever more. I don’t know. I can’t really say, I’m not exasperated by anybody I work with. I always find the good bit of it, you know, to make it work. It’s all about discipline, and I don’t have much of that. J: What are your thoughts about celebrity in general? Do you find it a really abstract thing that you’re in, or do you get star struck when you meet certain people? CD: It’s a state of egotism and that can be addictive for some people who’ve got nothing else. I’m not sure that I like it particularly, but it’s what makes people who they are, so I know that some celebrities can be very difficult and I can name quite a few, but to analyse it, I think well that’s them. They couldn’t be any other person than the person that they are, they get up in the morning and they are that person, so – it’s something that I don’t really abide by, I’ve never been drawn to, but when I see it in other people I think it’s what defines who they are, and it’s pretty much like that in every part of society – football players and probably bus drivers have got egos. There’s probably one that thinks he’s better than all the others and parks his bus closer than the other bus drivers or whatever. Celebrities like Mariah Carey and Lady Gaga are like that, that’s what makes them who they are. J: You’ve got a kind of almost instant celebrity culture with some of the talent shows like The Voice and X Factor and Britain’s Got Talent what do you feel about those? CD: They’ve always been there, dressed up differently – Opportunity Knocks in the 50s and 60s was the same. I think it’s sad for a certain generation of – particularly young girls who think they can sing or play and then they’re goaded on by their parents or teachers, they get thrown into queuing up outside venues to take part in these things, and then what happens is if they’re rejected, it causes a huge amount of grief and there’s nobody there to catch them. So one of the things that I’m working on at the moment with a music college in London is how to deal with the fact that you might not become Prince, and that is actually okay, you know? Not everybody can be. So they’re writing it into the curriculum of their work and it’s joining mindfulness and therapy with the ability to become the next Adele. J: Thinking about when you were starting out and you had to work. You had to do the gigs, you know, to get in front of managers or in front of A&R guys and do it that way, as opposed to being up in a TV studio and waiting for some producer to pull you out and push you in front of Simon Cowell. So it’s a different experience completely now. CD: It is, and they’re younger, and, they’re not trained for it not working for them, so it’s hard work. I wouldn’t want to do it. A: No! Because you did all of your song writing yourself, what do you feel about these people that have big teams of people writing for them …? 15